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Re: Has Dubstep jumped the shark?

Postby TheBeatfarmer805 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:38 am

Justin Beiber and Rusko are the fonz and the american EDM scene is the shark. I would say the fonz didn't jump far enough and there is a lot of blood in the water and more sharks are on the way. Hence Disneystep and the Mickey Mouse Shuffle Club. It wouldn't suprise me if everything goes full circle. Next big thing would be psy then acid, then psy-pop and acid-pop. lol. McPsy burgers and Happy Acid Meals with a poi toy. All the while Hard-style and DnB remain overseas where they are safer from the Ameri-sharks (thank god). Unless the sharks grow wings. Rage led to Limp Bizkit. That's the same process that created Skrillex.

On the other side, I'm working with a rapper right now that is so into Flying Lotus and Free the Robots and Shlomo and Nosaj that he refuses to rap on any beats that actually sound like rap beats. (Our days of colaboration are coming to an end.)

I saw Zedd's Dead and it effing sucked. Songs were changing every 20 seconds with no blending for like 2 hours. This is a product of the American listeners. They get bored too easily. It's up to the Producers to not try so hard to be different, and not try so hard to sound the same. Just be you. Then it's up to the DJs to not spin only what their management tells them to. I've heard that a lot of top-notch DJs are doing the 2 hour peak time bullsh*t. There needs to be a compromise. Meet in the middle. Here's what I'm crying:

Producers: Make music that you like and not try to cash in on every song.
Producers: Try not to be so different and weird that you alienate the mainstream.

DJs: Spin your hearts out. Make the mainstream kids like your long blended sets. No more changing songs every 20 seconds. That's not Djing. That's just playing songs.
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Re: Has Dubstep jumped the shark?

Postby neotechtonics on Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:54 am

I came pretty late to the 'dubstep party' been listening to it for about 5 years... and just this year so-called-dubstep has flooded into the mainstream here in South Africa. (skrillex - bangarang gets played about 5 times a day on the top radio station... its background noise in the office) The saddest thing is that all the brand new "dubstep fans" have no clue about its roots and only listen to the choppy-cheesey-wobbly brostep crap that people like skrillex have paved the way for. Whenever a genre hits the mainstream it opens the floodgates to mediocrity.
Played a DJ set a few months back on a DUBSTEP-NIGHT and the DJ's before me played 50% electro.... and cheesey electro and dubstep at that. I revised what I played because I was gonna throw in some commercial stuff to not leave the brosteppers in the dark... instead i avoided the commercial crap altogether and I got alot of good feedback after my set.
There's alot of hatred for dubstep as a genre, or should I say brostep... but only from those who have no clue what dubstep used to be. I catch alot of flak for saying I listen to, produce and DJ dubstep (on rare occasions) because of this. -sigh-
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Re: Has Dubstep jumped the shark?

Postby thehighesttree on Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:59 pm

There's too many damn subgenres of electronic dance music. All I know is that I get disappointed every time a set devolves into 80 BPM wubwub because it's played out. It's not a genre, it's a stereotyped sound. Even seeing your post about "brostep" pisses me off because it's just a goddamn BPM + LFO routing. People can incorporate dubstep elements if they want, but if little piggies build their whole house out of one technical strawman they shouldn't be surprised when the next big wolf blows them away.

This isn't meant to be an attack on you neotech, I just don't think dubstep has the qualifications to be considered a full genre...I mean really, does anybody think this is all necessary? You could summarize those into 5 catagories. Quit with the fake- and sub-genres, people.

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Re: Has Dubstep jumped the shark?

Postby Unfolding Machines on Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:25 am

thehighesttree wrote:There's too many damn subgenres of electronic dance music. All I know is that I get disappointed every time a set devolves into 80 BPM wubwub because it's played out. It's not a genre, it's a stereotyped sound. Even seeing your post about "brostep" pisses me off because it's just a goddamn BPM + LFO routing. People can incorporate dubstep elements if they want, but if little piggies build their whole house out of one technical strawman they shouldn't be surprised when the next big wolf blows them away.

This isn't meant to be an attack on you neotech, I just don't think dubstep has the qualifications to be considered a full genre...I mean really, does anybody think this is all necessary? You could summarize those into 5 catagories. Quit with the fake- and sub-genres, people.

"Handbag House"? Fuckoff.

Sorry dude, I totally disagree. Genres are a great thing to have because they are a simple reference point for taste. "Handbag House"- yeah that sounds pretty shoddy, but just because its not to our taste doesn't mean its bad. Genres can be used as an almost objective way to describe the subjective ie:
person A- "I heard the best Handag House tune last night!"
person B- "We're not friends anymore."

Note that the wikipedia page you've linked goes to a good length grouping similar genres. This helps a lot because if you were to take any 5 random subgenres from there & play them back to back it would sound totally unrelated. Remember that we don't classify music played with a lead stringed instrument by using only 5 genre titles. Just because a song has a guitar as primary instrument doesn't mean its the same as a song with a lead cello. Same goes for electronic music. A drum machine, sampler or synth can equally be a lead instrument, with wildly different results. Different tools lead to different sounds, different sounds lead to different genres.

A lot of people forget this, hence why Neotech pointed out the misappropriation of dubstep with shitty electro house cheese. Don't start me on fucking MOOMBAHTON.

Then your description of <80bpm+LFO'd bass does not define a genre, it defines a method of composition (composition being totally unrelated to genre). There were some old drum'n'bass guys doing this kind of stuff back in the 90s, making tunes out of what you'd normally expect an atmospheric D'n'B intro to sound like. I'd link you to a couple of these tracks in Youtube but its really hard to cut through all the Pendulum ripoffs and scenester shyte. This is as far as I got searching. Remember that the ideal D'n'B tempo is approx 174bpm, halve that to get 87bpm (plus D'n'B can drop as low as 160bpm- there's your magic 80bpm).

Ultimately the <80bpm+bass combo is about breakdowns, which aren't exclusive to dubstep or electronic music in general. Check out some metalcore (sorry in advance) for pretty much the same deal. You could argue that dub (real dub, roots reggae derived studio music) nailed this idea first too. But that's for another thread.
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Re: Has Dubstep jumped the shark?

Postby sauce on Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:10 pm

thehighesttree wrote:I just don't think dubstep has the qualifications to be considered a full genre...


I disagree. In fact, Ishkur's Guide was fully comprehensive until now.. With no Dubstep genre's listed, it now misses the largest portion of electronic music listened to today:

http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
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Re: Has Dubstep jumped the shark?

Postby neotechtonics on Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:01 am

thehighesttree wrote:There's too many damn subgenres of electronic dance music. All I know is that I get disappointed every time a set devolves into 80 BPM wubwub because it's played out. It's not a genre, it's a stereotyped sound. Even seeing your post about "brostep" pisses me off because it's just a goddamn BPM + LFO routing. People can incorporate dubstep elements if they want, but if little piggies build their whole house out of one technical strawman they shouldn't be surprised when the next big wolf blows them away.

This isn't meant to be an attack on you neotech, I just don't think dubstep has the qualifications to be considered a full genre...I mean really, does anybody think this is all necessary? You could summarize those into 5 catagories. Quit with the fake- and sub-genres, people.


I'm failing to see how I would interpret this as an attack on me. We're on the same page, maybe the way I put my point across wasn't terribly clear.
I also hate this proliferation of sub-genres. I never know how to classify my tracks so that the right people will find them because I do tend to mix genres and not work formulaicly (but you'll still find a couple 'cookie-cutter' tracks on my soundcloud page) :lol: I refer to commercialised dubstep as "brostep" because it is far removed from dubstep's roots. dubstep isn't about wobbles, not by a long shot! but it seems that people these days cant seem to separate the two cos it's all they've heard. Are you under the assumption that all dubstep is is a specific tempo and some LFO programming?
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Re: Has Dubstep jumped the shark?

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